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[upendra_purandare]

Dear Mr. Rajiv,
It appears that my suggestion for making categories in licenses has been
grossly misinterpreted.
I certainly did not suggest different licenses for a framed structure or a
flat plate structure. But I feel there has to be a separate category in
license to authorise SE to undertake design of specialised structure (which
would require sophisticated tools of design supplemented by experience).
Should we allow a fresh engineer to take up a design of High-rise building
which could have many vertical and horizontal irregularities? Not
necessarily he will refuse to take up the assignment because he is not very
comfortable, rather he may be ready to take it as a challenge (at the cost
of risk of life of the occupants). Also, we can not disallow him from taking
up any assignment because he does not have any experience. Hence, I feel the
licensing authority should restrict the inexperienced engineers from taking
up certain type of assignments (if found incompetent during assessment
process which should be part of licensing system).
的re can be a general category license having certain restrictions, which
should be issued to anybody who is qualified. The other category
(unrestricted)should be issued after ascertaining the ability of the
engineer (not by the number of years criteria but through exam and/or
interview.
I have seen some people who were doing typical residential structures with
maximum G+3 stories for many years, do not have enough facilities (and
expertise?) to carry out analysis of high-rise buildings which they are
designing now. The simplified design procedures adopted by them do not
always result in conservative design. The number of years criteria without
any assessment (exam or interview) would generate reluctance among engineers
in updating (sometimes refreshing) their knowledge. Extending the same
logic, should the license be issued for life time? or should there be any
revalidation (after re-assessment) required after a certain period? Or can
we assume that all licensed engineers would upgrade their knowledge
regularly?
I do not believe that such system will kill innovativeness and creativity.
的eminent structural engineer from Delhi (mentioned by you)would be no way
restricted from designing unique/ outstanding structures. But I think some
kind of restrictions on relatively incompetent engineers is necessary.
Regards,

Upendra Purandare
Pune
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[alok_banerjee]

Dear Rajiv,

You wrote

"What we need is the sense of professional liability. If an engineer is

[alok_banerjee]

Dear Rajiv,

You wrote

"What we need is the sense of professional liability. If an engineer is

[rsmengr at eth.net]

Dear Upendra:

I haven't understood how a fresh engineer can enter into the business and
get hold of a large prestigious building project as outlined by you. But be
assured that such a mechanism will be in place. A person with PE license
will be someone who has passed his exams. and who possesses enough
experience to practice. He will be the person who will bear full
responsibility towards his work including professional liability.
So your fears on that part are unjustified because a fresh engineer will not
be able to acquire a PE license at the first instance. It will take several
years before he would be designing structures on his own.. If an engineer is
doing a new type of work than his work must be reviewed by a peer. That is
常见的这些天即使日常工作。

I have a strong belief that Structural Engineering is a profession of
challenges and opportunities. Higher the challenges, more the motivation to
learn and create something new. But for realising that one must have an
opportunity. By the restricted license this element of enthusiasm and desire
to do better will be lost. That is very much against the human nature and
that is the reason I reject this idea of restricted license.

At the same time I firmly believe in injecting the element of professional
liability in engineers' minds. But make him free of rigid restricted
licenses. Once they see the element of liability they will know their
limits. In U.S. many engineers have PE licenses but only a handful of them
actually use it because of very heavy professional laibility.

Thanks and regards

Truly

Rajiv Sharma
New Delhi

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[karkeer]

My suggestion is to conduct the examination and grade the level of engineer
based on his performance in the examination.The examination should cover all
possible type of structures and codal provisions so that one can be tested
for his capacity and he could improve his grade level say after 2/3 years
Shashidharan
Senior Lecturer
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[karkeer]

My suggestion is to conduct the examination and grade the level of engineer
based on his performance in the examination.The examination should cover all
possible type of structures and codal provisions so that one can be tested
for his capacity and he could improve his grade level say after 2/3 years
Shashidharan
Senior Lecturer
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To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 1:43 PM
Subject: [ECONF] Re: [ECONF] on Licensing Issues

[ishacon1]

Dear Rajiv,

You are absolutely correct that licensing should be there alongwith Ethics
in Professional Practice -A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

In the USA, one takes a P.E. license exam of 8 hrs duration only after min
of 4 years of experience
under a P.E. after Bachelor's degree and that too only if he has cleared the
Fundamentals of Engg exam of 8 hrs. Even the experience is evaluated by the
Board to assess if it meets the
requirements and it is not 1 year experience repeated 4 times !

I do not agree with others comments that persons above 60 years age should
not be members of ECI etc.
In fact one has to draw on the rich experience of these individuals who are
now more into management
and have developed contacts with people in the Govt. or the industry.

In fact one of the problems that will be faced would be to make up a Board
for Registration of Engineers where
all Govt. bodies will like to get their finger in the pie so that political
pressures are exerted even in this process.
All engineers must unite to thwart such unholy moves. On one hand, the
various ministries or Govt. departments
can not be ignored but adequate representation from professional bodies has
to be there as well.
Someone suggested SEFI to become an official profesional body for regn of
structural engineers. This can be possible only if it is appropriately regd.
first with Registrar of Societies but I hope you are aware that one Indian
Association of Structural Engineers has already been set up and duly regd.
总部在新德里。这将是一段时间之前e its representation comes
up with ECI.

And if AICTE gets to do the Registration of Engineers thru a Board of
Registration set up by them, then ECI 's basic
objective will be lost. In fact they AICTE will have to set up a Board of
Ethics as well,
where persons of proven Integrity will need to be taken on Board.
Unless this issue is resolved ASAP, the engineering fraternity will
continue to suffer.

But there is a ray of hope - since WTO negotiations and GATS clause need to
be addressed urgently, I think
that the impasse over the Regn issue would be resolved soon if Institution
of Engineers can decide
which side of the fence they wish to be on and the Govt. acts fast. This is
possible only if we stand united
and the Professors of esteemed engg istitutes make an urgent representation
to Ministry of HRD.

One must not forget that even if one takes the P.E. licence say after 7
years of experience after B.E.
or 6 years after M.E., one has to accumulate Continuing Education credits in
order that the Licence gets renewed
in every 3 to 5 years period. And the licence can get revoked if this is not
complied with.
Even the Insurance sector will need to shape up to offer Professional
Liability insurance for Engineers.

Regards,
V.P.Agarwal
ishacon@vsnl.net

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